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	<title>Comments on: Two Kinds of Clubs</title>
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	<description>Ben Hyde</description>
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		<title>By: bhyde</title>
		<link>http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2009/12/two-kinds-of-clubs/comment-page-1#comment-3067</link>
		<dc:creator>bhyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 04:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zack! oh snap!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zack! oh snap!</p>
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		<title>By: Zack Hyde</title>
		<link>http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2009/12/two-kinds-of-clubs/comment-page-1#comment-3065</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack Hyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 04:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whenever someone asks me to help them move, I answer, &quot;I&#039;m happy to help, as long as it&#039;s me, you, and one other person.  If I get there and eight of your friends are there &#039;helping&#039;, I&#039;m going home.&quot;  

In this case, the ascription that I fear is anathema to any enthusiasm that I could muster for helping friend, and for very straightforward, logical reasons.  Nothing moves a household&#039;s worth of goods more slowly than a crowd of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever someone asks me to help them move, I answer, &#8220;I&#8217;m happy to help, as long as it&#8217;s me, you, and one other person.  If I get there and eight of your friends are there &#8216;helping&#8217;, I&#8217;m going home.&#8221;  </p>
<p>In this case, the ascription that I fear is anathema to any enthusiasm that I could muster for helping friend, and for very straightforward, logical reasons.  Nothing moves a household&#8217;s worth of goods more slowly than a crowd of people.</p>
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		<title>By: bhyde</title>
		<link>http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2009/12/two-kinds-of-clubs/comment-page-1#comment-3022</link>
		<dc:creator>bhyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dinning club dynamic is fascinating, i&#039;d not noticed it exactly.  It&#039;s similar to the power-law dynamic, with a few elite contributors and a long tail of lurkers; but in this case there is a heart beat where the upper class is condensed out somewhat randomly from the pool - that&#039;s neat.

I have a loose affiliations with two dining clubs here in town.  One of they does three things I find slightly notable. A) pricy venue, B) they have very limited seats, and C) they set aside an allotment for new faces (along with a process).   A &amp; B create status and scarcity effect (hence the need for C).  As usual they also have a long tail.

I wonder if there is handbook out there on how to run a small dinning club.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dinning club dynamic is fascinating, i&#8217;d not noticed it exactly.  It&#8217;s similar to the power-law dynamic, with a few elite contributors and a long tail of lurkers; but in this case there is a heart beat where the upper class is condensed out somewhat randomly from the pool &#8211; that&#8217;s neat.</p>
<p>I have a loose affiliations with two dining clubs here in town.  One of they does three things I find slightly notable. A) pricy venue, B) they have very limited seats, and C) they set aside an allotment for new faces (along with a process).   A &#038; B create status and scarcity effect (hence the need for C).  As usual they also have a long tail.</p>
<p>I wonder if there is handbook out there on how to run a small dinning club.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Vielmetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Vielmetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, this is a great post - lots to think about.

I&#039;m always interested in how these complicated human relationships get simplified in online systems, and how systems get it wrong.

I&#039;ve seen a breakdown of groups (due to Bob Parnes in his PhD thesis) that distinguishes between open and closed, permanent vs. limited duration, and &quot;on topic&quot; vs &quot;open forum&quot;.  

A particular interest of mine is in groups that grow in number overall but that don&#039;t have any more people at their regular meetings than the space will fill.  A relatively open lunch group I run has 400 or so people on a mailing list but about 25 regular lunch attendees; it would not be sustainable if everyone showed up for lunch every time, because where would the extra spaces be for the new people?

Much more to type in, but it&#039;s not all organized enough to want to write it down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, this is a great post &#8211; lots to think about.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m always interested in how these complicated human relationships get simplified in online systems, and how systems get it wrong.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen a breakdown of groups (due to Bob Parnes in his PhD thesis) that distinguishes between open and closed, permanent vs. limited duration, and &#8220;on topic&#8221; vs &#8220;open forum&#8221;.  </p>
<p>A particular interest of mine is in groups that grow in number overall but that don&#8217;t have any more people at their regular meetings than the space will fill.  A relatively open lunch group I run has 400 or so people on a mailing list but about 25 regular lunch attendees; it would not be sustainable if everyone showed up for lunch every time, because where would the extra spaces be for the new people?</p>
<p>Much more to type in, but it&#8217;s not all organized enough to want to write it down.</p>
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		<title>By: bhyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>bhyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank Leo - Me too, it triggers a nice bewilderment.  I&#039;ve revealed it&#039;s meaning in a few ways over the years, so it&#039;s out there; but usually hidden in the body of a post as here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank Leo &#8211; Me too, it triggers a nice bewilderment.  I&#8217;ve revealed it&#8217;s meaning in a few ways over the years, so it&#8217;s out there; but usually hidden in the body of a post as here.</p>
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		<title>By: Leo Simons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo Simons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always loved your blog title, in some ways its a shame it now has an explicit explanation :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always loved your blog title, in some ways its a shame it now has an explicit explanation <img src='http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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