Comments on: kill -9 $$ http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2006/05/kill-sigkill Ben Hyde Thu, 16 Oct 2008 07:21:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Ben HYde http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2006/05/kill-sigkill#comment-13320 Ben HYde Fri, 02 Jun 2006 00:10:46 +0000 http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2006/05/kill-sigkill/#comment-13320 I agree there are facinating subtle differences in those words. But realy, if you don't live in high-loyality cultures (sometimes these are labeled honor cultures) then I think it's very hard to see thru to the real meaning of acts like these. I agree there are facinating subtle differences in those words. But realy, if you don’t live in high-loyality cultures (sometimes these are labeled honor cultures) then I think it’s very hard to see thru to the real meaning of acts like these.

]]> By: Ben HYde http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2006/05/kill-sigkill#comment-13319 Ben HYde Fri, 02 Jun 2006 00:06:10 +0000 http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2006/05/kill-sigkill/#comment-13319 Steve Burbeck commented but I managed to delete the comment while dealing with the 1000+ spam comments that arived today. Here's what he wrote: "...sucide and murder are used when various handshaking patterns fail. These are useful when you can’t control some of the components." This is precisely the situation that motivates the apoptosis idea when dealing with the "out of control" complexity in large multicellular systems. There's an interesting distinction between sepuku and "fall on your sword" Falling on your sword usually has the connotation of sacrificing yourself for a superior or perhaps scapegoating yourself -- a very "Western" notion. Sepuku usually has the connotation of removing yourself due to something like "shame" at your failure to live up to the expectations of your role in society. That is, sepuku benefits a whole social system whereas "falling on your sword" benefits superiors in your particular hierarchy. Apoptosis is like the former, benefiting the whole organism, not like the latter. Steve Burbeck commented but I managed to delete the comment while dealing with the 1000+ spam comments that arived today. Here’s what he wrote:

“…sucide and murder are used when various handshaking patterns fail. These are useful when you can’t control
some of the components.” This is precisely the situation that motivates the apoptosis idea when dealing with the “out of control” complexity in large multicellular systems.

There’s an interesting distinction between sepuku and “fall on your sword” Falling on your sword usually has the connotation of sacrificing yourself for a superior or perhaps scapegoating yourself — a very “Western” notion. Sepuku usually has the connotation of removing yourself due to something like “shame” at your failure to live up to the expectations of your role in society. That is, sepuku benefits a whole social system whereas “falling on your sword” benefits superiors in your particular hierarchy. Apoptosis is like the former, benefiting the whole organism, not like the latter.

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