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	<description>Ben Hyde</description>
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		<title>By: Ben Hyde</title>
		<link>http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2004/09/sorites-paradox/comment-page-1#comment-308</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Hyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James -  Sorry but I don&#039;t really get what your getting at.

Al Sharpton isn&#039;t by any stretch of the imagination an exemplar of the median of Democratic party policy, goals, or philosophy.  You do appreciate that most of Al&#039;s funding comes from folks on the right don&#039;t you?

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0405,barrett,50745,1.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James &#8211;  Sorry but I don&#8217;t really get what your getting at.</p>
<p>Al Sharpton isn&#8217;t by any stretch of the imagination an exemplar of the median of Democratic party policy, goals, or philosophy.  You do appreciate that most of Al&#8217;s funding comes from folks on the right don&#8217;t you?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0405,barrett,50745,1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0405,barrett,50745,1.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: James Briggs</title>
		<link>http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2004/09/sorites-paradox/comment-page-1#comment-307</link>
		<dc:creator>James Briggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Democrats do the same thing but they don&#039;t prevent prevent people from voting they slander them. They taked every issue and turn it on ist head.  If you believe that race shouldnt be an issue in treating people then you are a racist.  If you if you believe that peple have a right to be safe intheir homes and their persons from crime then you are agaist the 4 amendment.  If you oppose policies that increase proverty then you are agains tthe poor.

I am running out of time so I will clsoe with this one, not abot Democrats exacetly. Guy&#039;s like Al Sharpton encouraged burning down inner city businesses and kills business onwers and employees. After the businesses were detroyed Al was complaineding that there were no inncer city jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democrats do the same thing but they don&#8217;t prevent prevent people from voting they slander them. They taked every issue and turn it on ist head.  If you believe that race shouldnt be an issue in treating people then you are a racist.  If you if you believe that peple have a right to be safe intheir homes and their persons from crime then you are agaist the 4 amendment.  If you oppose policies that increase proverty then you are agains tthe poor.</p>
<p>I am running out of time so I will clsoe with this one, not abot Democrats exacetly. Guy&#8217;s like Al Sharpton encouraged burning down inner city businesses and kills business onwers and employees. After the businesses were detroyed Al was complaineding that there were no inncer city jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Hyde</title>
		<link>http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2004/09/sorites-paradox/comment-page-1#comment-302</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Hyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I entirely intended to needle the Republicans.  They have and are methodically demonizing their opponents.  A pattern you mimic above.  Having constructed a straw man of their opponents of vile and bereft of ethics they have then used that to license a wide collection of offensive techniques; Hiding behind one&#039;s fantasy that the other side is evil is no excuse; worse it leads to violence.

The Right pulled away from the median of the American public (as clearly indicated by the divergence between the voting statistics shown by VoteView and the statistics shown by the Michigan surveys).  This imbalance between where the public mindset actually is and the right desires for what to do with power has driven the right to increasingly desperate and increasingly offensive means.

Nader?  Nader has no support to speak of on the ground.  His only support comes from cynical labor and funds provided by the right.  A good person could only accept that kind of cynical behavior if he really believes that the other side has lost their moral compass.  God help us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I entirely intended to needle the Republicans.  They have and are methodically demonizing their opponents.  A pattern you mimic above.  Having constructed a straw man of their opponents of vile and bereft of ethics they have then used that to license a wide collection of offensive techniques; Hiding behind one&#8217;s fantasy that the other side is evil is no excuse; worse it leads to violence.</p>
<p>The Right pulled away from the median of the American public (as clearly indicated by the divergence between the voting statistics shown by VoteView and the statistics shown by the Michigan surveys).  This imbalance between where the public mindset actually is and the right desires for what to do with power has driven the right to increasingly desperate and increasingly offensive means.</p>
<p>Nader?  Nader has no support to speak of on the ground.  His only support comes from cynical labor and funds provided by the right.  A good person could only accept that kind of cynical behavior if he really believes that the other side has lost their moral compass.  God help us.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2004/09/sorites-paradox/comment-page-1#comment-301</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t particularly agree that the &quot;no difference&quot; meme is engineered/designed by the political parties.  In fact, the parties are often in violent agreement with one another in order to create the illusion of difference.  The &quot;no difference&quot; meme appears to me to be a reaction to how significant people feel in the political process and the general public&#039;s inability to discern subtleties in the overly scripted messages presented by all politicians.

And, here&#039;s a counter point to Ben&#039;s assertion that &quot;The Right&quot; is being dirty with their attempts to remove illegitimate voters from the rolls, etc.  The Democratic party is doing everything they can to keep Nader out of the election.  Is that not forcefully removing people from the body politic?

My point here is not that either party plays fair.  I don&#039;t believe that.  I think they both play dirty, for power seeks to perpetuate itself at almost all costs.

Perhaps I&#039;ve mischaracterized this blog entry as attempting to needle the Republicans, but I don&#039;t find any basis for either party to claim the moral high ground in the political process.  The process is dirty, and both sides play it that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t particularly agree that the &#8220;no difference&#8221; meme is engineered/designed by the political parties.  In fact, the parties are often in violent agreement with one another in order to create the illusion of difference.  The &#8220;no difference&#8221; meme appears to me to be a reaction to how significant people feel in the political process and the general public&#8217;s inability to discern subtleties in the overly scripted messages presented by all politicians.</p>
<p>And, here&#8217;s a counter point to Ben&#8217;s assertion that &#8220;The Right&#8221; is being dirty with their attempts to remove illegitimate voters from the rolls, etc.  The Democratic party is doing everything they can to keep Nader out of the election.  Is that not forcefully removing people from the body politic?</p>
<p>My point here is not that either party plays fair.  I don&#8217;t believe that.  I think they both play dirty, for power seeks to perpetuate itself at almost all costs.</p>
<p>Perhaps I&#8217;ve mischaracterized this blog entry as attempting to needle the Republicans, but I don&#8217;t find any basis for either party to claim the moral high ground in the political process.  The process is dirty, and both sides play it that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Hyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Hyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Santiago - Always!  Feel free to run off with my ideas, et. al..  - ben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Santiago &#8211; Always!  Feel free to run off with my ideas, et. al..  &#8211; ben</p>
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		<title>By: Santiago Gala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Santiago Gala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are three thing that sprang inmediately to my mind when I read this:

- unless you opose, I&#039;ll translate the whole post to Spanish and post it to my blog, annotated as I think more about it.
- the similarities with lotteries. Each one of us looses very little, but there is someone who wins the big lot. In the lottery is the organizer (*not* the winner); here it is the dominant elite.
- the memetic character of the whole thing (included the &quot;no difference&quot; meme). It is a particularly effective meme since it is propagated (typically) by successful people, the ones most interested in keepìng status quo, and we humans do have a trend to imitate successful people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are three thing that sprang inmediately to my mind when I read this:</p>
<p>- unless you opose, I&#8217;ll translate the whole post to Spanish and post it to my blog, annotated as I think more about it.<br />
- the similarities with lotteries. Each one of us looses very little, but there is someone who wins the big lot. In the lottery is the organizer (*not* the winner); here it is the dominant elite.<br />
- the memetic character of the whole thing (included the &#8220;no difference&#8221; meme). It is a particularly effective meme since it is propagated (typically) by successful people, the ones most interested in keepìng status quo, and we humans do have a trend to imitate successful people.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Hyde</title>
		<link>http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2004/09/sorites-paradox/comment-page-1#comment-304</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Hyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2004 00:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The no difference so why bother argument?  Yet another one designed to drive people out of the political fray.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The no difference so why bother argument?  Yet another one designed to drive people out of the political fray.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I try.  :-)

Seriously, though, I believe your comment is more to the heart of the matter.  Power seeks to maintain power, and abuse is found on all sides.  So, my point was simply that you cannot call one party on the carpet about such abuses without realizing that your own party is equally guilty of abuses (perhaps the same ones in different times and/or places).  It&#039;s a question of humanity, not ideology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I try.  <img src='http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seriously, though, I believe your comment is more to the heart of the matter.  Power seeks to maintain power, and abuse is found on all sides.  So, my point was simply that you cannot call one party on the carpet about such abuses without realizing that your own party is equally guilty of abuses (perhaps the same ones in different times and/or places).  It&#8217;s a question of humanity, not ideology.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Hyde</title>
		<link>http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2004/09/sorites-paradox/comment-page-1#comment-300</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Hyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug - Thanks for helping to clarify who I am.  Disingenuous, biased, ... your so sweet.  The issue is not that groups want to thrive over time; the issue is the means they use to get there.   The consistent effort to drive people out of the body politic is an offensive tactic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug &#8211; Thanks for helping to clarify who I am.  Disingenuous, biased, &#8230; your so sweet.  The issue is not that groups want to thrive over time; the issue is the means they use to get there.   The consistent effort to drive people out of the body politic is an offensive tactic.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To claim the argument is solely owned by the right is, itself, disingenuous and protrays a bias.  Power on both sides of the aisle has one major desire: to perpetuate itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To claim the argument is solely owned by the right is, itself, disingenuous and protrays a bias.  Power on both sides of the aisle has one major desire: to perpetuate itself.</p>
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